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What Can We Learn from History?

What Can We Learn from History?

Posted on April 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM

You sometimes have to scratch your head a bit to wonder how mountain bikers can possibly appreciate the natural environmentthey ride and build roughshod on. There is a clear disconnect somewhere...

But, sometimes one has to give credit where credit is due and this mtber did write a fairly nice piece on the History of  Fromme Mtn., etc. (from a mtber's point of view, of course.)  Here are the links (Mtn View Park is mentioned in the second part of this history piece):




The Relics of Shaketown – Part I

Exploring the Original North Shore

Words by Bryce Borlick. Photos by Bryce Borlick and courtesy of The North Vancouver Museum and Archives.
July 3rd, 2013

and

The Relics of Shaketown – Part II

Another North Shore History Lesson

Words by Bryce Borlick. Photos by Courtesy of The North Vancouver Museum and Archives.
September 4th, 2013 Bryce Borlick is back with another old timey tour through the slopes of the North Shore when humans first sent projectiles down its fall lines.

My only real concern is that the mountain bikers figure that it is okay to destroy something that later recovered (made off-limits to human activities), once again...(that somehow there is no value to a recovered second growth forest that is "only" 80 to 100 years old!)

There is even less chance of a viable "third growth" forest surviving this off-road onslaught (riding and digging) without rest. It will not be healthy growth without removal of such consumptive wreckreational activities, soon. Too many invasive activities on Fromme Mtn, and elsewhere weakens the ecological health of the future forests.

There are several histories of the North Shore written that should be read to appreciate where we came from and where we are headed. It takes a long time to restore and rebuild, but so easy to destroy. What kind of legacy we leave behind is mainly determined by our politicians and public land managers who "manage" our forests and natural parks and wetlands. Can we trust their judgment? What was once destroyed is now gone forever...

Is it really worth the accomodation of the off-road thrill- riders in the woods? Only time will tell...


District of North Vancouver
Socio-Historical Service Infrastructure

Note: Author of each chapter is Roy Pallant unless otherwise noted.

In particular...

Another very comprehensive history comes via:

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Logging and landscape change on the north shore of Burrard Inlet, British Columbia, 1860's to 1930'sAuthor: Kahrer, Anna Gabrielle Degree Master of Arts - MA Program Geography Copyright Date: 1988

http://circle.ubc.ca/handle/2429/28079    (several pages on Lynn Valley Mills and logging done on Fromme/Lynn Creek environs, with maps of logging flumes, etc. Excellent study, online. It covers the North Shore.) Download the pdf file at link.

Of course, we can't leave a stone unturned, folks:

The gist of the problem with the scofflaw NSMBA and supporting mountain bikers, etc. is ongoing --- supported by the District of North Vancouver and West Vancouver politicians and public land managers who continue to turn a blind eye to it all --- while on the other hand continually rewarding those mtbing scofflaws/NSMBA.


The many unscrupulous corporations who support the NSMBA under "green, or sustainable, or environmental initiatives/funding" such as the "TD Friends (fiends?) of the Environment" can tell us a lot about what is wrong with societal norms today.

Once a scofflaw, always a scofflaw. Wink wink, nudge nudgeThe NSMBA (unofficially) really do approve of these rogue trails and structures, but put on their "public face", disapproving of such things (only if the rogue trail/structure happens to have been discovered by the public land managers) All scofflaws!


The politicians and public land managers are the real laughingstocks of this neverending "dance around the mulberry bush" of mountain biker over-entitlement to our public forests and parks. What can we learn from this anti-social behaviour? The "dance" continues unabated....(at least you cannot condemn the mtbers for their raw honesty in the following NSMB.com threadposts...)

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^^^^^thanks. Great info. I was not going the opposite way. But i need to do more exploring up there. I have not heard of rapid transit either.
This should help you out. Maps are available at the local bike shops. or as an App
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https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/loca...524920272?mt=8

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For the first edition we asked about partnering with the NSMBA but since there are trails in the book that are not recognized by the land managers, trails we felt needed to be on the map for navigation and safety purposes, they felt they could not be a part of this project. 
We talked again about partnering but since this continues to be their position we will not be partnering with them for the books.

We took it upon ourselves to give the NSMBA money from the Apps.

We have given money to builders not supported by the NSMBA since they are working on trails that are not recognized by the land managers.*
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*So nice to know that the authors of this dubious North Shore MTB Trail Book and App, Sharon Bader (former-Prez of the NSMBA) and Wade Simmons (former "World Class Ambassador" for  Trauma Services, Vancouver Coastal Health's now defunct InjuryFreeZone.com ) are giving the proceeds from their publication toward illegal activities. Hoo hah!

The MTBer jokes are being played on us all, over and over again, according to this sage letter out of Penticton, BC, by a motorsports enthusiast, nonetheless! He has surely got the mountain bikers' and their foolish political and corporate supporters pegged!

Biking: lawsuit waiting to happen

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I have to commend the current administration at Penticton City Hall at excelling in one area - being able to find new ways of exposing the citizens of Penticton to potential costly lawsuits. I have to commend the current administration at Penticton City Hall at excelling in one area - being able to find new ways of exposing the citizens of Penticton to potential costly lawsuits. 


The minute jurisdiction and authority of a defacto recreation area such as Campbell Mountain is signed over to a special interest group by city council you have put the people of Penticton at the top of the legal food chain. 


All it would take is one person to crack their melon while taking a jump on their mountain bike and some crafty lawyer will link the City to being responsible. Leaving it as mitigates liability since there would no real authority administering the area and the mantra "use at your risk" would more than likely prevail. 


Think I am joking? Google: "mountain bike lawsuits". It makes for fascinating reading. 


I invite the mayor and anyone on council to contact me. I would be more than glad to take anyone on an ATV tour to witness first hand the potentially deadly structures that have been constructed on the Three Blind Mice Trail system in order to entertain thrill seeking mountain bikers. 


I don't have a problem with mountain bikers but don't start attempting to throttle what I find to be entertaining and relaxing. That being a respectful motorsport enthusiast. 



Daniel PontesÂ
Penticton


As you already know, folks, DNV has already foolishly embraced the NSMBA, lock, stock and barrel, and all those (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) rogue trails proliferating on the North Shore, unabated.... (DWV is following "...suit", closely) ...the clock is ticking over a future lawsuit...for sure...(Remember, you heard it here first, dear DNV/DWV citizens. It should come to no surprise.)


and last, but not the least:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120507081222/http://nsmba.ca/content/2012-03_war-woods 

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